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Bryan-

Thank you for your thoughtful post on scribe transcription.

I was a part of the effort that got physician online with EHR in the 1980's.

I think there are two crucial parts missing in current documentation assistance projects as I understand them.

1) The greatest frustration that patients and physicians/clinicians experience in their relationship working with one another the broader healthcare system often can be understood as communication failures involving Speech Acts- what John Austin introduced in "How To Do Things with Words", and later popularized in the 1968 classic by Winograd and Flores "Understanding Computers and Cognition". These are frequently those situation in which one party walks away satisfied with the new shared plan of action, while the other walks away feeling good about the discussion with no new sense of shared commitments. This can be frustrating and dangerous, and one difficulty is that complete word-for-word encounter documentation can frequently REDUCE the likelihood of achieving a shared plan and commitment for action.

We make requests of patients, thinking we've got an agreement that they are going to stop smoking or start exercising or go for a recommended consultation- and those things don't happen. The prescription never makes it to the pharmacy, or the prior authorization isn't completed. An AI or scribe system may know next to nothing about the world or the patient's medical condition, but it is possible to set things up so that during the clinical encounter itself the system is used as a visible interface that helps to communicate where things are in what Winograd&Flores term the "Conversation for Action'.

2) The other issue- it's time for us as physicians to get over the notion that the record is ours and should reflect our voice, or at least our voice alone. Any of us working with patients who've read their own records know of the dismay of patients who see nothing of their own voice in their record. Problems in the problem list are definitely linked to billable diagnostic codes, but rarely linked to the patient's words expressing their experience, their fears and concerns. It is now possible for us to begin developing tools that capture the patient's concerns as well as our own, and doing so will be key to developing better trust and more effective treatment relationship.

A big bonus- if we actually agree upon and complete problem lists, treatment plans, and the progress note during the session, then documentation is complete. With the tools now available we can develop Codocumentation to succeed routinely, and we should be working towards that as a standard of care. Because after your last patient walks out of your office with his treatment plan and progress note, confident that he's been heard and satisfied that a shared plan is in place, you should be able to follow him out the door.

Ed

Edward Pontius MD

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Corfu, GR

Ryan McCormick, M.D.'s avatar

This is fascinating stuff, I'm going to come back this weekend for a more slow read. Thank you! What do you see as the biggest downside? The whiffs of totalitarianism with this sort of thing extended to our whole lives makes me nervous... but once again, need to return and re-read this later!

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